James Patrick Holding
Out On His Own Name
Blair Reynolds
From: "Reynolds"
To: "Positive Atheism" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Sent: September 02, 2003 6:51 PM
Subject: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Regarding James Patrick Holding:
By his own admission to me, this is but one of the aliases he uses. Maybe his real name is Robert Trukel, maybe that also is an alias.
He refuses to reveal his real name. He claims he was or is a prison librarian and that prison inmates might retaliate on his family, if the get his real name. Why? He doesn't make that clear; seems he is perceived of as too strict in the library.
His scholarship is no place, absolutely zilch, despite his long-winded articles. He admits he has had no formal training in theology, biblical studies, church history, or any related areas. He does not know biblical languages or any foreign language. With me, and with others, he is generally quite rude, but couldn't take it when I dished it back to him.
Gee, you sure picked a real character!!
I have an APB out all over the web just to get his real name and identity; no luck yet.
Blair Reynolds
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From: "Positive Atheism Magazine" <editor@positiveatheism.org
To: "Reynolds"
Subject: Re: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Date: September 02, 2003 10:56 PM
Gee, you sure picked a real character!!
I didn't find him, Holding found me!
Interesting. He paints a picture of being a University librarian or at minimum a public librarian. Prison librarian? A prison library is a room full of donated books with books or journals containing what the "librarian" considers "porn" or "violence" (usually) removed, and (I think) the obligatory law library. In that sense, I'm a librarian, too, because I founded and ran the library at the last church I attended.
By the way, when they removed most physical education and rehabilitation equipment from prisons (they don't want prisoners stronger than the guards), the inmates took to using law books to assist in their resistive workouts (weightlifting). This naturally puts a lot of stress on the bindings of the books, which need to be replaced with great frequency. Many prisons now maintain the law library on microfiche. Thus, an inmate with vision as poor as mine would not fare well if she or he needed to consult the lawbooks!
Hey, have you run a whois on his (her?) URL? Here it is: He "launders" his ownership of the domain through one of those high-secrecy domain registration companies.
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Domain ID:D32318972-LROR
Domain Name:TEKTONICS.ORG
Created On:03-Aug-2000 15:53:47 UTC
Last Updated On:27-Jun-2003 20:47:27 UTC
Expiration Date:03-Aug-2009 15:53:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R85-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:85-CON
Registrant Name:SEE SPONSORING REGISTRAR
Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.itsyourdomain.com
Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.itsyourdomain.com
Registrant City:N/A
Registrant Postal Code:N/A
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:not@available.org
Admin ID:85-CON
Admin Name:SEE SPONSORING REGISTRAR
Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.itsyourdomain.com
Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.itsyourdomain.com
Admin City:N/A
Admin Postal Code:N/A
Admin Country:US
Admin Email:not@available.org
Billing ID:85-CON
Billing Name:SEE SPONSORING REGISTRAR
Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.itsyourdomain.com
Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.itsyourdomain.com
Billing City:N/A
Billing Postal Code:N/A
Billing Country:US
Billing Email:not@available.org
Tech ID:85-CON
Tech Name:SEE SPONSORING REGISTRAR
Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.itsyourdomain.com
Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.itsyourdomain.com
Tech City:N/A
Tech Postal Code:N/A
Tech Country:US
Tech Email:not@available.org
Name Server:NS1.IMCONLINE.NET
Name Server:NS2.IMCONLINE.NET
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Gaud help him should he want to change: I have been going round and round for several months over two of my other domains for another project!
He sure is a sensitive little guy, isn't he?
Did you read his pan of PAM? (Shouldn't be hard to find.) I liked his assessment of PAM as "a peanut operation" -- PAM, whose roots go back through Lavanam to Gora and Mohandas K. Gandhi.
Cliff Walker
Positive Atheism Magazine
Eight years of service to people
with no reason to believe
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From: "Reynolds"
To: "Positive Atheism Magazine" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
Subject: Re: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Date: September 03, 2003 2:10 AM
Thanks for the information.
I confess, however, to being a total computer dummy.
Yes, he is sensitive; he told me I had insulted and offended him, and so he had blocked any further e-mail from me, as if I care. Well, I wasn't "nice"; I did let him have it. I don't want to brag, but probably I'm the "meanest" he's ever dealt with. I simply told him if he can use the alias James Patrick Holding, well then, so can I! So off I went! I really dumped on some conservative groups online, referring all their complaints right straight back to him, with a note how my new, improved Holding made far better use of scatology.
He threatened to sue; I told him to go ahead.
Naturally, he didn't.
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From: "Positive Atheism Magazine" <editor@positiveatheism.org>
To: "Reynolds"
Subject: Re: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Date: September 10, 2003 10:47 AM
I simply told him if he can use the alias James Patrick Holding, well then, so can I; and off I went and really dumped on some conservative groups on line, referring all their complaints right straight back to him,
Eeek!
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
Eeeeeeeek!
Ah-ghee ghee ghee ghee ghasasee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee ghee!
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I was the kid who would come up with all these hysterically diabolical stunts to do to people (or just do, period), and then, by its sheer funniness and by how good it felt to get a good belly-laugh just thinking about my idea, some clown would actually pull it off!
I won't tell you (or anybody, for that matter) how it was that I got -- let's say -- "nudged" out of high school! And it was purely disgusting, to be honest. But as disgusting as it was, I still gotta laugh at it. No idea why. Maybe the humor value -- if you can call that humor!
Yours really takes the cake, though. I think to myself, "Shit! What if some cretin did that to me!?" even though "Cliff Walker" is what is on my checks but not not on either of my two birth certificates. What's in a name, anyway? What is a name, for that matter!? But then I look at the damage this asshole has done to various people (he and countless others of his ilk), wreaking havoc only because he disagrees with their ideological viewpoint (or lack thereof, as is the case with most atheists).
No, I won't pretend. I simply cannot pretend -- about anything! (So much for a career in writing fiction!) My name is (currently) Cliff Walker, and that's what the Federal government (Social Security Administration) thinks it is and that's what the State of Oregon (Department of Motor Vehicles) thinks it is, and thus I have nothing to hide -- even though I have two (count 'em) birth certificates, each with a different name on it, neither a variant of Cliff Walker! As hated as atheists are (I started to write "tend to be," but that's wrong: we are hated, so -- as hated as we are), I still have nothing to hide because I am doing nothing wrong. Nothing! I am libeling nobody. I am threatening no one. In fact, I even refrain from intrusion in that I will not log on to a theistic Web site to "tell the Christians a thing or two." I'll lay it down for those who write in to this Forum (who lie and otherwise mistreat us in their attempts to discredit anybody who disagrees with their religious leaders), but that's the full prerequisite for getting "the business" from me.
Okay, you get a full "Thumbs Up" for grabbing his attention, even though it most assuredly did absolutely nothing toward changing things for the better (as if I care about changing him -- for even a minute!).
And you get the full "Thumbs Down" for doing something that I would never have even considered doing at any time in my life up to this point. (Although I wish I had come up with the idea!) Hey, maybe in a couple of years, the bigotry and other stressful things that I endure (that have contributed almost wholly to my current crippling medical condition), perhaps I could become capable of doing a thing such as this!
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Ah, but wait! You did this to his -- his pen name! That makes all the difference in the world, as far as I am concerned (even if it becomes a trademark infringement to use that particular letter sequence).
So the question becomes, is this his Service Mark? meaning, is this the Fictitious Name of his company? If so, has he registered it as such? in every state of the Union? If not, then you might want to grab some money and get on it: register it in all 50 states as your fictitious name, describing it as the name of your out-of-work clown character who very occasionally does adult performances for parties, etc.: Amazing Rope Tricks! "Hide 'N' Seek" Games for the Youngster in Everybody! Simulated Dungeon!
Am I sick, or what?
Hey, I just hate clowns! Don't you? I mean --
James Patrick Holding,
Executive Producer,
The "Positive Atheism" Project
Eight years of service to people
with no reason to believe
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