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The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions ... shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power ... we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.
As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
The frightful engines of ecclesiastical councils, of diabolical malice, and Calvinistical good-nature never failed to terrify me exceedingly whenever I thought of preaching.
I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself.
When philosophic reason is clear and certain by intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it.
Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents.
Cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires.
I do not like the reappearance of the Jesuits.... Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gipsies can assume, dressed as printers, publishers, writers and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited damnation on earth and in Hell, it is this society of Loyola's. Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them an asylum.
Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes.
The Church of Rome has made it an article of faith that no man can be saved out of their church, and all other religious sects approach this dreadful opinion in proportion to their ignorance, and the influence of ignorant or wicked priests.
What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years.
God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world.
Numberless have been the systems of iniquity The most refined, sublime, extensive, and astonishing constitution of policy that ever was conceived by the mind of man was framed by the Romish clergy for the aggrandizement of their own Order They even persuaded mankind to believe, faithfully and undoubtingly, that God Almighty had entrusted them with the keys of heaven, whose gates they might open and close at pleasure ... with authority to license all sorts of sins and Crimes ... or withholding the rain of heaven and the beams of the sun; with the management of earthquakes, pestilence, and famine; nay, with the mysterious, awful, incomprehensible power of creating out of bread and wine the flesh and blood of God himself. All these opinions they were enabled to spread and rivet among the people by reducing their minds to a state of sordid ignorance and staring timidity, and by infusing into them a religious horror of letters and knowledge. Thus was human nature
chained fast for ages in a cruel, shameful, and deplorable servitude....
We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects, and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations. In most countries of Europe it is punished by fire at the stake, or the rack, or the wheel. In England itself it is punished by boring through the tongue with a red-hot poker. In America it is not better; even in our own Massachusetts, which I believe, upon the whole, is as temperate and moderate in religious zeal as most of the States, a law was made in the latter end of the last century, repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws, but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the Old Testament or New. Now, what free inquiry, when a writer must surely encounter the risk of fine or imprisonment for adducing any argument for investigating into the divine authority of those books? Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis? But I cannot enlarge upon this subject, though I have it much at heart. I think such laws a great embarrassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination, certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them. But as long as they continue in force as laws, the human mind must make an awkward and clumsy progress in its investigations. I wish they were repealed. The substance and essence of Christianity, as I understand it, is eternal and unchangeable, and will bear examination forever, but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination, and they ought to be separated. Adieu.
Wilson: Early Presidents Not Religious
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
What you see in a great many atheistic quotes lists:
Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
Knowing what we know today, to say this is pure slander against atheists. And yet it is still quite popular, especially among the uneducated, the widespread acknowledgement of its falsehood notwithstanding.
Thus, Adams was not above presenting such travesties as his National Day of Prayer and Fasting proclamation. These acts reflected his view that the masses needed religion to keep this world from becoming a bedlam. However, Adams, like Washington and Jefferson, did not apply this reasoning to himself -- as we can plainly see from the quotations in the main section: religion was good for the masses but not for John Adams (for the most part), who was above all that and needed no piety in order to maintain his own sense of civility.
Positive Atheism Magazine's Big List of Quotations asks all atheist and separationist web sites to remove this quip from their quotes collections unless they are willing to show it for what it is, in its full context, complete with explanation. This explanation may be used in part or in its entirety, provided it is properly attributed to its author, Cliff Walker, and that it is not altered except to the extent that the segment used was excerpted from the larger piece.
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This is one of the first rants that eventually became what is not called "The Subtle Fulmination of the Encircled Sea" (the "encircled sea" being an oblique double-pun
on the copyright symbol ["©"]).
I left the rant here, having decided to leave it in somewhere — and here is as good a place as any.
I began this list of quotations in 1996 because I was dismayed by the fact that almost all the atheistic web sites which bothered to post a collection of quotations copied them from the same faulty and wholly bigoted list of quotations used by the others, displaying no pride in originality or workmanship and, worst of all, paying no attention to quality or accuracy.
My Big List of Quotations sought to change all this. I'd hoped to set an example by refusing (for the most part) to grab quotes from other peoples' web sites. Instead, I chose to excerpt my quotations directly from the source material I encountered during my studies and making e-text conversions of quotes lists that had previously enjoyed only print-media exposure. To my knowledge, we were the only ones to even request permission from James Haught to excerpt from his masterful collection of atheistic quotations, 2000 Years of Disbelief, although almost every quotes list online contains one or more excerpts from this book (almost all of which were ultimately copied from my e-text conversions).
Rather than follow my cue, this same genre of atheistic web "editor" now copies and pastes my work into their pages. In so doing, they call my research and my e-text conversions their own work (by implication, through the omission of credit). Not one of these web "authors" forfeited a single Saturday night's recreation or relaxation in order to make for themselves a cool-looking quotes list; none of them turned down any offers of work to bring much-needed income into the family so they could contribute to the online community something we don't already have simply by going to the Positive Atheism domain (and now, any number of other domains to which this work has been copied). They didn't have to make any of these sacrifices: I incurred these losses so that they didn't have to. Problem is, everybody loses out in the long run!
This is the main reason I have essentially stopped work on the online version of The Big List for over two years (not to mention several other aspects of Positive Atheism’s online endeavor), although there are other reasons, including a certain page-a-day calendar. Live and learn.
Where did I get the idea that atheists are, in general, essentially honest, hard-working creators of original work? By looking in the mirror in the bathroom? What the hell was I thinking?? Yes, many atheists are just that: honest, upstanding citizens! But where did all these mini-copies of the Big List of Quotations come from, and why are there only a handful of atheistic quotes lists containing quotations that I've never before typed into my own keyboard?
You can find out what I think about organized atheism by reading: "Why Advocate For Individual Activists?" You can catch a glimpse of my having been pushed in this direction by checking out: "An Open Letter To Cliff (from) Reed Byers, Corvalis Secular Society," and "Fallout Over Cliff's September, 1998, Column."
If we get any support (any support at all) for the anti-mirroring movement we tried to establish in early 2002, I shall most likely change my attitude and begin posting more new quotations. In lieu of that, we must await such time as I am able to restructure The Big List to make wholesale copying more difficult than currently is the case.